Welcome CV Parli Pros, to your new place to discuss both the Contest and Robert's Rules. Our road to Nationals is going to be a long one so lets be logical and begin at the beginning. For your first reading we are going to discuss Chapter 1. Please post thoughts on the chapter (things you found interesting or important) or any questions that you have.
Comments should be easy to post and the section for them should be located directly below this blog post. Let me know if you have any questions and have some fun!
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What's the difference between standing rules and bylaws? They're both specific to its organization and can be changed quicker and easier than a constitution, right?
ReplyDeleteOne example would be that the standing rules aren't normally made in the beginning of an organization. But the bylaws are made when an organization is forming. There are more examples throughout the reading also.
DeleteOkay that makes more sense.
DeleteOne intersting thing I found during this chapter was way at the end they talked about the chapters customs and how they are basically thought of as rules unless they coincide with parli pro. I thought that makes organizations a little more unique.
ReplyDeleteWhere does the Corpoate Charter lie in importance to an organization?
ReplyDeleteI thought it was like the acknowledgement by the state government that the organization can meet. That was on page 11: lines 9-15.
DeleteRobert's also recommends that a society should only include whatever is necessary to obtain it and leave the rest to lower ranking rules that can be more easily changed if necessary. Page 11: line 34 to the subsection about Constitution and Bylaws.
-Christopher Toevs
I was surprised when I was reading about types of deliberative assemblies under conventions, it mentioned that a convention is sometimes called to form an association or federation. It was also cool to see the conventions usually last no longer than a week, but there is no limit to the length of their sessions.
ReplyDeleteYou know Im'ma let you all finish...but my thought was the best. The fact a member is only in good standing with a society if they don't have any of their rights suspended was cool. See, I thought it meant a member had to be active and attend every meeting for a member to be in "good standing," but that's not the truth.
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Parli Pros: I am happy to see many of you are utilizing this blog created by Mr. Schaeffer. Good discussions thus far. However, I would encourage you to perhaps entice your peers who have not become active players in this forum. Five of you have engaged in conversation. A team consists of a solid six individuals. You all can be a positive agent of change in the dynamic and performance of this team. You are only as strong as your weakest link.
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M-dubs
Interesting facts and questions from chapter 2:
ReplyDeleteOne question I had was, it stated more than once in this chapter to avoid the use of other members names. My motion at states was point of order and I used other members names when rising to a point of order. Was that wrong and if so, how should I have addressed them?
Interesting facts I found were:
-When a member obtains the floor and makes a motion that is out of order, the chair can suggest another motion that is in order at the time.
-If a modification has been made by a different member that made the main motion (before the chair states it) and the modification has been accepted, the motion does not need a second since the member who offered the modification has in effect, "seconded" the modification.
I see what you mean about the personal names on page 43. I was thinking the same thing because it doesn't list that as an exception in the following pages.
DeleteI know last year when we did opening ceremonies it was easy to refer to people as mr/madam (their office) if that makes sense. However, this is a good question because ceremonies don't happen anymore.
DeleteFrom what I got from the reading it was saying to use "the member" which I think would be super confusing. "The member had the floor when the other member started speaking"?
DeleteIt didn't strike me that people would second a motion without agreeing to what the maker of the motion stated until I read this chapter. Someone might just second the motion to start debate on it but not necessarily have the same opinion as the maker of the motion. Struck me as interesting!
ReplyDeleteYeah, I guess they use that for people who are completely against the motion but want their opinion to be heard. They basically just want everyone to be able to discuss it.
DeleteQuestion for chapter two. On pages 22-23 they talk about 'Mr. President' vs. 'Mr. Chairman'... Do we say chairman because it's a temporary position whereas president is more long lasting?
ReplyDeleteI would see that as a valid statement. I mean, President is certainly a title that stays with a person, but when we do our meetings, it seems like it is understood that a chairperson is only chosen for this specific meeting so President would not be a proper name for our competition.
DeleteCan anyone tell me the main difference between a resolution and a plain old motion?
ReplyDeleteA resolution is a long complicated motion and is usually written down on paper for the maker of the resolution to read (or secretary/chair) to the assembly.
DeleteWhat I found interesting was that in a mass meeting there is no perscribed quorum. Also how the maker of a motion or another member can modify a motion before it is stated by the chair.
ReplyDeleteI was really confused with yielding on page 30. Could someone possibly explain that to me? Is it just once the member is finished speaking then they yield the floor?
ReplyDeleteAlso, on page 31 at the top of the page, first paragraph, I thought it was super interesting how "If the member who made the motion claims the floor and has not already spoken on the question, he is entitled to be recognized in preference to other members", I took this as it doesn't just mean that if you made the motion you receive first debate but you also receive entitlement to debate if you have not yet debated on the motion you created at any point during debate on that motion. Is this correct? Sorry, I know that was really confusing.
Lastly, when I was doing the quiz one of the questions was about privileges of the floor, which I thought at first meant speaking and debating, but in actuality this was talking about being able to go into a specific part of the meeting room. This was way at the bottom of page 29. :)
I think both of your statements are correct. I definitely know that the second one is right. In that if you make a motion and shannon and Chris debate first and second then you and jena stand up, I should technically call for your debate because you made the motion and have not yet debated. As far as yielding I do believe that's correct.
DeleteFirst comment, can we start new comment threads for each chapter we do? I think it will be much easier to review the blog then when we go back to review the information later. Second, I thought it was cool that, at least not for the competition, a motion does not necessarily NEED a second. An assembly can continue on its usually business without a second until someone brings attention to it. But of course we can't use it in competition because Tyler would like vaporize us on stage and crucify us.
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For Chapter 5, on page 104 it says that there is language not allowed in debate. Does that mean slang and other informal terms or something else?
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